K 

So this is not going to be a heavy episode. But lately I’ve been thinking about anti vaxxers around the world because we have international friends, which is really awesome. We have friends on every continent except Antarctica, you all know I’m obsessed with Antarctica. I just want to know somebody that’s been there, or that’s going there. Like for reals, if you’ve been there, let me know. So I could be like, I know someone who has been because it’s so hard to get permission to go to that continent.

C 

Well, but you still can’t necessarily say, you know, somebody has been to every continent, because they could go to just like, South America and Antarctica, or just Africa and Antarctica.

K 

So I, I know people from every continent except that one. I have to clear my throat. I’m sorry.

C 

I don’t think there’s anybody actually from Antarctica.

K 

Yeah, no, there’s nobody from there. But like people who go there for research.

C 

Okay.

K 

And we know enough researchers that like, to me, it’s ridiculous. I feel like we know people who have been there that are actively keeping it from me.

C 

I was asked at work if somebody could work from Antarctica.

K 

See. Let us know. If you’re a Musick Note, and you’ve been let me know.

C 

it was a pure hypothetical, because my response was no, because they don’t have enough. Good enough internet.

K 

But with the books, someone just told me that they’re opening a printing press on the continent.

C 

Why?

K 

I don’t know. So we’ll have to ask our friend if they know more about that.

C 

Yeah. To just print cool books?

K 

Yeah, I don’t I don’t know anything more about it than that. Okay, like, sent it to me on Twitter because I’m so obsessed with it. They were like, hey, maybe you can get someone to print one of the books. And I’m like, why wouldn’t they just use ebooks like download onto their Kindle or what have you.

C 

happy? Not what sheets of ice means? Yeah, I don’t

K 

like the idea of that fragile continent having books printed on it because printing machines are so horrible for the earth. But then ebooks to also have a carbon footpring – I’m just digressing out the gate. Look at this. Rein me in. That’s your job.

C 

So you’re saying people are more likely to want books printed if they’re anti vaxxers?

K 

Sorry for the throat stuff. My throat is – they’ve been working on our building and the dust is just really got my allergies kicking up. And the way my allergies are kicking up is like just causing a post nasal drip that’s making my throat thick.

C 

Yes, they were powerwashing.

Yeah, so just kicked up all the dust like my hands are itchy like my allergies are horrible. So anyways, I feel like when it comes to anti vaxxers certain countries, were the anti vaccine or or pro vaccine. Where both of those sides are very vitriolic. I feel like in the UK and in the United States, and in Australia, they’re very vitriolic, and in Sweden, but I don’t feel like you’re having that same vitriol in Italy, in Japan, in Canada, in Mexico, and Brazil. I’m not seeing that same level, and I’m not hearing that same level reported to me, and like some countries are okay with. Some citizens are okay with like, hey, a vaccine passport makes sense. And others are like you’re trampling – like don’t tread on me, the United States is very much don’t tread on me.

Yes, that’s interesting, because I know that there’s all the cultural explanations, and you’re the culture expert. So I don’t think I know better than you. Because you’re literally an expert in culture.

K 

Yeah.

C 

But when I look at it, what I see is that the countries where the government is like, yes, we are just imposing this on you. And there’s a history of that aren’t having those strong reactions that are being had in countries that have been all along we’re protecting our freedoms. And I think so it’s the framing

But Sweden has does not have that – Sweden and Switzerland both don’t have that history.

But Sweden and Switzerland have a long history of like having problems with Nazis and like, with extreme right wing fascists, or anti government

Germany’s not at least our friends in Germany are not reporting that they’re having any issues with that.

Right because in Germany, the the anti government fascism is kind of not allowed. You, you have a certain amount, but like, Nazi imagery is banned by law.

Well, what does Naziism have to do with the vaccine because you have like the Nazi Party is alive and well in Japan.

C 

Right?

K 

And, but there is no not the fascism is an Italy has a history of fascism, but they’re completely okay with it.

Right. But what I’m saying is not countries that have a history of fascism because I think most countries either have a history of fascism or were colonized. What I’m saying is that governments that in the recent future, have said, yes, we are

In the recent future. So you’re time traveling, now?

C 

I am time traveling.

K 

Okay. So tell us about the future.

C 

Okay. In the recent future, it’s so recent.

So I think that you’re way off here on what’s going on. I think the reason, because so for me, what’s tripping me out is that the portion of the population that is anti vaxx, per country based on like reading the news, because I’m really interested in this and reading the news about it. It’s all about the same percentage, per country, right. But the vitriol specifically, is what’s tripping me out. And so to me, it’s the countries where they think they have a right for their voices to be heard, and that their voice is significant in and of itself, that their opinions are important for the world to know. So like, take Japan, for example. I know that my opinion does not matter to Japan. I know that the government does not care what I think. And I have met, and I know the mayor of our city, and the mayor of our city does not care what I think when it comes to political matters because I am not part of the political system. So like, there’s no none of this bs about my respondents and my constituency. It’s very patriarchal. And it’s very much I know what’s best you voted me in the office because you trust me to know what’s best for you. I don’t think that that is the same rap and rhyme in Mexico.

C 

No, I don’t think so.

K 

And I don’t think that’s the same rap and rhyme in Italy. So for me, I don’t feel like it’s a government structure. I think it’s more a culture of, does my voice matter? Do I need to make myself heard? Do I need to stand up and be counted. And those countries to me to have a culture of I need to be heard. I’m very self important, because I know, in Finland, the anti Vax community is like really loud. And I find that for me. So I know about five or six people from each of these countries, right? So this is like a really small sample, and then looking at what their news is reporting. And so that’s why I’m seeing these differences. And I think it’s really cool for me to be in Japan, where the deltas shame you into getting vaccinated if you’re an anti vaxxer.

C 

So when you’re talking about this, I’m thinking that it’s interesting that the places you’re mentioning are places where you can get famous for being contrarian. So it’s not even I want my voice heard, because there are a lot of people here are like, I want my voice heard. And I agree with everything the government does. Yeah, but being contrary and doesn’t get you a lot of airtime. Oh,

K 

yeah, that’s true. Where dissension is its own form of marketability,

C 

right? Yeah, I’m thinking about a conversation I had at work which this is not confidential, because this is the company’s public position, which we had a conversation about how to message about vaccination, because it’s a legal requirement that if people are going to be in the office after October 15, they have to have at least one dose. Somebody is going to comply with the law. But there was also a conversation on management about, let’s get our messaging on this, right. That we are not enquiring into people’s beliefs about vaccines. We are not trying to shame anybody who might not want to be vaccinated or might believe that they shouldn’t have to. We are just letting people know this is a legal requirement, and we’re going to comply. And if you don’t want to get vaccinated, we’ll continue to allow you to work from home just as we will. If you do get vaccinated. If you have to be in the office, and you don’t want to get vaccinated, talk to our HR department basically to work out what’s going to happen

K 

in so what I find interesting is in Japan, the corporate message is there’s no legal requirement for you to be vaccinated, but know that we know you want to kill us write all of your colleagues will know that if you did not go down and get your vaccine, that you don’t care about destroying the business and the Japanese economy. And as does that straight out, we know that you want to kill your colleagues that you want to destroy our business, and that you don’t care about the Japanese economy. Nor do you care about the Japanese family system. Because you don’t care that you might be killing your co workers, children as well. I think it’s creating orphans.

C 

I think it’s important to note here too, that in Japan, your medical information is not private from your employer.

K 

Yeah, it’s public. So like, if you go to a therapist, or as in distress, this is one of the reasons. So for psychology, they only allow 15, they only national insurance will only pay for 15 minutes for talk therapy, which is not enough time to accomplish anything once a month. Yeah, once a month, 15 minutes. That was one reason why I didn’t belong to the National Health System. But if I took even one client, under the National Health System, all of my clients would lose confidentiality when it came to work. So I was like, No, thank you. So if you go to a psychiatrist, a psychologist, or urologist, all of your medical history, your employer has a right to see it. So whether or not you’ve been vaccinated, they announce it to the company that you haven’t. These are your co workers that have not been vaccinated. There are still companies in Japan that in the morning, they do a morning announcement and they do morning calisthenics, calisthenics exercises, yes. And then they announce, like, who hasn’t been vaccinated yet. And the companies that don’t do the calisthenics, the your boss will tell you, I know that you’re not vaccinated. So here, you have to wear you have to do this. And anybody that goes around you has to do this extra thing. So as people are talking to you, they’re double masking and sanitizing their hands while they’re talking. And they’re staying away from you. And so you’re basically become a social pariah.

C 

I think it’s interesting, too, because thinking about this, I remember, people who work at large companies got vaccinated before we did at least here in Nagoya, because the companies

K 

paid for, for the staff to come down, come

C 

in, and vaccinate. So they went down to like Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, which has like 10,000 people working there. Yes. And set up. Okay. Everybody got vaccinated? Like we have the vaccines here today.

K 

He said, we won’t fire you. We just know you don’t care about the company.

C 

And then it turned to we won’t fire you just can’t come to work.

Yeah. So it’s for at the the big companies, it’s very much, you’re gonna get vaccinated. Yeah. And then for small business owners, they’re vaccinated because they, they, there’s a trend started for restaurants, to brag and boast that all of their employees are vaccinated as a way to get clients to come in, and then it turned into, and we encourage our customers to be vaccinated. If you’re not vaccinated, please get your food for takeout. If you’re not vaccinated, please don’t, don’t eat here. If you’re not vaccinated, please don’t shop here, at least in Nagoya, and in some places and Tokyo as well. And so the social pressure to be vaccinated is causing anti vaxxers the number of people who aren’t vaccinated to drastically shrink in Japan. And so the but there isn’t the app, right? Like in the United States, there are businesses that are doing that. And people in

California it’s now a requirement in California that for example, restaurants have to check your vaccination status. You have to show them your vaccination status to eat indoors.

Yeah. And then they have those restaurants that are anti Vax restaurants. You’re not in a state of California not our home state. But I there’s a anti Vax at least in Texas, there’s I know Texas Yeah, is an anti Vax restaurant.

I’ve lived in Texas for a couple years. It was not my best years.

And I don’t know of any anti Vax restaurants in the UK. Like I only know anti Vax restaurants in Texas is the only one I’ve heard of. So for me, I find it interesting that so you know more about the vaccine passports I only know about Japan’s vaccine passport because we’re looking at possibly traveling to Australia next year. And so I’m very interested in it because my concern is if there’s a lockdown can we get back into Japan. Yes. So I’m not worried about getting into a country, I’m worried about getting out of a country and back into Japan, because so many of our friends were stranded outside of the country. And these were Japanese nationals stranded outside of Japan when COVID hit. So now I’m just like, Okay, how long can we afford to not be in Japan? And how can we work our way to get back to Japan. And so I know all of the information that’s on the passport, and how to get the passport and all of that. We’re not traveling. yet. This is for next year in 2023. like eight months from now, I think we have

our vaccination status stickers. So we have we each have our piece of paper that says were vaccinated with QR codes on it for the specific date and lot number and all of that.

Yeah, but that’s not the passport right? We use that to get the passport. Right. And right now six countries except the except that the Japanese pass the Japanese vaccination passport, and Australia is one of them.

Yeah. But they’re still not open to anybody. So like, we accept that this is a valid passport, you still can’t come? Yeah, but we accept that this is valid.

Yeah. There’s certain exceptions in Australia, but we don’t qualify. No,

no, we don’t qualify for any of that. We’re not reuniting with family or anything like that. Yeah.

So for like, reuniting the family. And if you’re an Australian National, and if you have a significant reason for going to Australia, and we don’t have a significant reason.

C 

We want to.

Yeah because that’s my reason. Okay. That seems to be the reason it’s significant to me, because I haven’t traveled in almost two years. How about that? So by the time we travel, it will be over two years, since we went anywhere.

C 

Yeah, I feel like we’re being good about that. Because it is tempting to just move into a hotel for a month while we work on our building.

K 

It’s super tempting, super tempting. Oh my gosh.

I’m not saying I wouldn’t get sick of the food, but stop with the banging.

Well, no, there’s some hotels, I would never get sick of their food. It’s so good. Like the food and Hakone is so good. So so good. And then the special treats from the chef. Oh my gosh, that mushroom soup. That mushroom soup was so good. It was a mushroom soup. And I just I couldn’t tell you what else was in it.

C 

Broth.

Yeah, it was a clear. I think it was made with dashi probably. I think it was a dashi base with mushroom. So that’s a fish flake, they see is the fish flake and they dissolve in water. And then it becomes dashi.

C 

Yeah. Like, how was your sauce has fish in it as well?

K 

Yeah. And it was a clear broth. And y’all have heard me music nerf now that I love that soup and Hakone is I ever talk about it? I forever talk about it’s another one of my obsessions. So you’re talking with a friend that has the passport from the United States?

C 

Well, here’s the thing is that apparently, this is, this is rumor. But I believe that because of the health privacy laws in California, they won’t release enough information to get the electronic pass the electronic COVID passport, that would be good in parts of Europe. Okay, like they have the COVID passport on their phone doesn’t have enough detail to satisfy some of the European countries. And because they’re from California, there is a specific law against disclosure, which seems silly to me, like you should be able to override that law on your own behalf. Yeah, you should be. But I also have seen that kind of abuse of No, no, we got permission. Yeah, that companies do. We got permission. It was like in tiny three point font down at the bottom of the website that said that we have permission but so yeah, but he’s traveled for work within California. And I think San Francisco right now is like 96% vaccinate or something. Very low. numbers for a city of its size.

K 

Yeah.

C 

So

K 

yeah, very low numbers for unvaccinated. Right. Right. So for me the vitriol around the vaccine and the politicizing of the vaccine. My the vaccines become very political in the UK, very political in the United States, very political in Switzerland and Sweden. And I was really surprised because I’ve just recently gained friends from Switzerland, Sweden, and my perception of those countries are so shaped by what America teaches us and what, what I learned historically in America. And that’s what’s really in Sweden are two countries that we aspire to be like. And after going to Sweden, I was like, Okay, one Denmark is right next to Sweden. And I see now why people are like Denmark and Sweden because they’re really close. And two, I didn’t see that aspirational. And like talking to our friends I was seeing like, Okay, well, they left that the part where you have to serve in the military. Yeah. Like, I don’t want to do that or do civil service. Yeah, I don’t want to have to do that. So that’s not aspirational to me. They left out the tax burden. And I was like, that’s not aspirational to me. But now there’s this dissension between people who are anti Vax, and people who want to be vaccinated. I’m really surprised. Like, I wouldn’t have guessed that Sweden would have this divide. And I also wouldn’t have guessed that Switzerland would have this divide because we’re also told that you know, Switzerland is neutral and even and level headed. That’s the race

C 

like clockwork, that’s why Swiss watches are so great is because all of society operates like clockwork as what I was always told, like, I know people from then like, that is not what happens.

K 

Yeah, so like, That’s not at all what happens, what I’m learning, right? And so hearing that people don’t want their freedoms encroached upon, then their personal medical choices encroached upon was surprising for me,

C 

I think, yeah, I think if you phrase it as, do I want my freedom encroached upon? The answer is no. But then it gets down to specifics of how much is my freedom encroached upon, because I can’t ride public transit, because there are so many people in vaccine on it, that I am at risk of catching something.

K 

So I think this notion of absolute freedom. I think if you ask these people who are fighting for their freedoms, if you ask them, Do you support anarchy? Right? They would say no,

C 

they’ll be like, no, that’s an Tifa. I don’t support an Tifa.

K 

That’s in the United States, right? Yeah, in the United States. More I’m saying globally, like when people are saying that, I have to support the speech of Nazis. And extreme free speech. That’s NRG. That’s not free speech. That’s anarchy. So for me, there has to be some checks and balances in place, if you want to have a civil society. So ask them would you rather have anarchy or a civil society, and if you want anarchy, I support your right to be an anarchist, but also support my right to not be an anarchist. to support my right to say that I want to live in a civil society. And a civil society requires rules and laws. So when people are saying, I have the right to choose extreme choice, I have the right to choose not to be vaccinated, then you should also be pro choice in all choices when it comes to your body. So for me, if you are pro life, you’re also pro vaccination. Those two things should go hand in hand. Because you can’t tell me that, oh, I have to grow a life in my body. But you have the right to not be vaccinated because of how those two things don’t jive for me. You

C 

expect me to grow a baby, but you don’t want to grow antibodies? Right? Oh, the bodies are okay, but the antibodies aren’t.

K 

Right. And for me, like having a baby puts my life at risk. Yes. Your doctor told you that. Yes. And I had a baby anyways, I have a miracle baby. And

C 

but we went to your doctor and we talked about this before he’s like, you know, if you have another baby, you will die. Yes, like so? Well, you will you give her a hysterectomy? Oh, no, no. Yeah, won’t do that.

K 

So look at all the medical choices that you don’t really have. And the freedom in the United States and the freedom in Switzerland and Sweden and Japan. Freedom is an illusion and the extreme freedoms that people are fighting for with anti vaccination. That’s an illusion. That’s there are there is a price to be paid for a civil society. And if you if you want toilet paper, if you want toilet paper, there are rules that have to be in place for you to have toilet paper. So tell me that you don’t use toilet paper. Tell me that you grow your own food. Tell me that. You are completely off the grid, and that you’re not going to be vaccinated because you don’t use any of the government infrastructure that’s in place to make your life easier in any way that you’re off and a separate us colony and that you guys are completely self sustaining.

C 

Why would they tell you that though,

right? Because even if you look at the Amish, and what’s the other group Mennonites? Yeah, we look at the Amish and Mennonites, they still do trade? Yes. And so they are still interacting with the government infrastructure. They’re still interacting with the civil society, because nobody’s encroaching on their land.

yet. So I think that freedom to make your own choices is not freedom from the consequences of those choices. Yeah, I don’t think that’s an extreme position. But my parents were of anti vaxxers. Before it was cool. Yeah. Before the Wakefield paper suggested that, you know, vaccination causes autism.

So which has been disproven? Absolutely, but not proven? No, I hate every time you mentioned that paper, because I feel like you’re propagating it. I feel like you’re promoting it. And the doctor who was responsible for spreading that correlation has lost their license to practice medicine. They’ve been run out of town by everybody except Autism Speaks. Yes. It’s like as much as you are anti autism speech, anti against your naming that paper? It is. It is not science. No, it

C 

Is not.

K 

It is not science.

But so my, I couldn’t go to my first day of high school because I didn’t have the required vaccination. Yeah, because in Alaska, to go to your first day of high school, you have to have your vaccinations up to date.

In California to go to elementary school, you have to have your vaccinations up to date.

So that was when I got all my vaccinations because my parents were like, Oh, you can’t go to school, but we want you to go to school. I guess we’ll get you vaccinated. Yeah, so I feel like the imposing restrictions of you can’t do this thing unless you’re vaccinated is effective. Yes, it is. Like a lot of people in California got vaccinated when they put in laws, put laws in place that you have to be vaccinated to go certain places. And I think there are people who are professional contrarians? Yeah. All right, like going around places getting thrown out for not having not been vaccinated and making money from that.

But a lot of anti vaxxers are getting COVID and almost dying. And there’s really bad information out there. People say, Well, if you get COVID once, and you get to ICU, you won’t go to the ICU again, if you get it a second time. And that is not true. That’s not true at all. Yeah. And there was, I thought, I saw this interview on the news of a group of five people who had had COVID twice, and then they were anti vaxxers, who then got vaccinated because they had COVID, once. And they thought, why had COVID I was in the ICU. That was awful. And so now I’m not, I’m not going to be able to get COVID. Again, they got COVID a second time, went into the ICU, they’re like, That was awful. I’m going to get vaccinated, and then they got vaccinated. And I find the people who are getting COVID, multiple times, and then saying that the diagnosis is lie. And I think that’s because for in some countries, the medical establishment has a history of lying, has a history of misleading people and has a history of mistreating certain populations. And I think that’s really sad. I think we need a system of getting good information out there. And I think that there should be censorship, since just censorship stops lines from being told.

Yeah, I understand. You’re saying, like, I know that censorship

protects people. Yeah. And they’re like, well, censorship is a slippery slope. And if you tell me that, I say you’re ignorant of the fact that censorship already exists, and that things are already being censored, that you already live in a center of society, there is no society, in existence in the world currently today. And if you can find one, please hit us up in the comments or hit us up on Twitter at the music’s and tell me what country you can say anything you want in a public forum. Anything at all, without any legal ramifications. There isn’t a society on earth that that’s true.

Yeah, I think the US comes the closest and but that’s just me. legal ramifications from the government. There are a few things you can’t say still.

Like so defamation of character that’s if someone can see for defamation of character that’s censoring your speech. If someone can see you for if you can be arrested for inciting violence, that’s censoring of your speech.

Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead and talk about, you know, attacking the president.

Well, there was this really famous, I don’t know if they’re still famous, that there was a famous YouTubers that we’re going to from the UK that we’re going to visit that wanting to visit the United States. And they tweeted out that they wanted to dig up Marilyn Monroe’s body, they wanted to visit her grave and dig up her body. And they were held in customs and the United States for eight hours because of a tweet. Yeah. And sent back. So tell me again, how America supports freedom of speech. Come on, who believes that that’s really the their reason for coming to the United States. And really, Marilyn Monroe’s body like, that’s the they’re not they weren’t able to enter the country. That shows you that America has censorship. And if you look at Fox News, how much they’ve had to retract and pull back everything they were saying, regarding the election, so individual citizens getting on television, and spewing, whatever comes to their mind on both sides of the aisle. I don’t care what your political affiliation is. I think every political party has their extreme, you know, their extreme views. You can’t do that without paying a price. So if someone can see for something you’ve said, then you need to watch what you say, then you need to censor what you say.

Yeah, I think the same thing in the US. opinion is not a protected class. No, it’s not. So if a company doesn’t want to hire you, because you are an asshole on social media,

K 

and lots of people have lost their dogs because of things they’ve said, on social media. All you have to do is go down, go to the hashtag, racist of the day, or go to hashtag Karen, which I don’t I feel bad because I have a really dear friend named Karen, who is absolutely lovely. Just a lovely person. And what about all the black Karens out there? So I love like all the skits with the support.

What about all the Chads there. We don’t have any Stacys in our life at the moment. I don’t think but we have a Chad in our life.

Yes, yeah. Chad. Yes. Thank you. So chat is the name that a group of people have given for like, muscular

Cool guy.

K 

Yeah.

C 

Basically me.

Yeah. So for me, I’m just like, either be an anarchist or get vaccinated. Cuz I believe in I believe in both choices, but I don’t believe in half fascinate could have fascinate.

C 

In Japan, the protests is very quiet like I at my previous job, there was a co worker that would go and protest at organized rallies and things which

K 

are very organized and very, like they happen from this time to this time. And they’re on time, but they’re

C 

smaller acts of civil disobedience in the sense of like the convenience store owner who didn’t like that he was required by his convenience store. franchise agreement to me to stay open online, so he would shut at night. And that became like national news, the fight between him and the franchise, because he wasn’t going to stay open from 2am to 6am. Yeah. And the publishers at the publication of the names of Pachinko parlors that didn’t shut down when they were requested to for COVID. Yeah, so there was a particular part of that was like, we sat down, but we’re still getting blowback because other partners didn’t. So on this day, we have 400 open slots for vaccinations. And we will do it again in a month so people can get their second if they came. Yeah. So you know, just remember our name when you think of Pachinko parlors.

K 

When you think of someplace you can go to not gamble and win cigarettes that you can then exchange for money. Yes. Because it’s not gambling at a predictable rate. Yeah, you’re just winning prizes.

C 

That exchange happens down the street, a separate business.

K 

Yes. And it’s just a tobacco it was the tobacco is called.

C 

They’re called a tobacco list. No, I

K 

thought they’re called Something else.

C 

Now you’ve got to write that.

There is like a fancy name for a tobacco list.

C 

I think that’s a pretty fancy name already.

I think there’s a fancier one. I think there’s a fancier one. Yeah, do I know it’s not humid? I know that’s for cigars, but I thought there was one for places that just sell tobacco products.

C 

Think of it as a smoke shop. That seems less fat, fancy.

smoke shop and head shops don’t sell tobacco. They sell water pipes. They sell hookahs. They do not sell bongs. They sell water pipes. Yeah. But I guess now they can sell bongs. I wonder if they can sell bonds now that marijuana is illegal in the United States?

Well, marijuana is illegal in the United States at the federal level. And that’s why the state level not the federal you mean legal. At some states, yes. Legal. Tommy Chong went to prison. Because he was calling his water pipes, tongs, bombs. Yeah. And they were like, if you call it a bomb, you’re bending as paraphernalia. And while we’re not going to charge anybody with selling marijuana, we will charge people with selling paraphernalia. Yeah. So I think it’s still quasi quasi legal?

Yes. Still in the gray area. I was reading about Amsterdam, and how it’s illegal to grow marijuana, even though it’s legal to smoke it.

Yeah, so possession is decriminalized under a certain amount. And they just kind of let it go on. I have a friend there.

K 

That’s like a major digression.

C 

Oh look at ou calling out the digressions?

Yeah, yeah, I can do it too. So for me when I’m looking at the vitriol around vaccination, as y’all know, we’re both disabled. And early on when COVID first Ted, we had the whole family in the house, and now we’re still, we still don’t go out to eat, we still limit our grocery shopping, where we haven’t traveled. We don’t take public transportation anywhere. I’m only leaving the house for doctor’s appointments. I have dentistry that I need to get done that I haven’t left the house to get done. I’m gonna break down and get done now that I’m trying to like pick a window when we’re not having a spike to get my dentistry done. And we’re still living a really strict life. And the reason we’re living such a strict life is because Japan has just now started to vaccinate children or teens. And we’re waiting until the majority of the excuse me, the majority of the populations vaccinated. And I want vaccine passports to catch on. Because I would love a hotel that to check into it. You had to have a vaccine.

vaccinating from five years old now, I think that they have extended it back to now vaccinating children. Only with Pfizer, not with Montana.

K 

That’s a tough vaccination. Yeah, why Pfizer? That’s a bad trip,

C 

because Madonna hasn’t been approved and kids. Okay, and so yeah, it’s complicated, but my data hasn’t been approved in kids and Pfizer has been tested and kids. That’s why it’s Pfizer.

K 

So for me, it feels really personal because it’s limiting my rights and my freedoms and my choices. And I’ve always held the belief that your rights end at the beginning of at the tip of my nose. Yeah. And so you don’t have the right from my perspective, because I do want to live in a civil society, your rights end when they encroach upon my rights, and not being vaccinated. There’s such a huge part of the population that is immunocompromised, and because they’re on immune suppressors, they can’t be vaccinated because coming off of the immune suppressors, long enough to be vaccinated.

C 

So here’s the thing about that is that when they studied it, there are a few conditions like mast cell activation syndrome, where you’re allergic to everything so you can’t get vaccinated. Yeah, but like lupus, which you have, yeah, they’ve said it’s safe to get vaccinated, but there’s no guarantee that your body will mount response to it, which means that it might not do anything Yes. And so even though Christopher is vaccinated, we don’t have any guarantee that it took for you. Yeah. And so if you’re around unvaccinated people, your body might react as though you aren’t vaccinated, even though you went and got the injections.

K 

So not just me also our son. Yes. So even though I’m doing everything that I can to prevent the spread, and to end this pandemic, and to end all of the loss of life, I feel like everybody should pitch in. And I think to me, it goes beyond political affiliation. And it comes down to us all being human beings, and helping out each other live the best lives that we can live. Because if I were an extremist, I be like, Well, you know, all of these people dying is good for the earth. And that’s dark and heavy. Or you can

C 

call it herd immunity. Like, we’re getting rid of it by everybody dying and gets it.

K 

Yeah. And so for me, I just, if you’re not vaccinated, please go get vaccinated. Don’t do it for me. Don’t do it for yourself. Do it for everybody in your life that you love. Because if you have even one person in your life that you love, is their death worth you not being vaccinated? Are you willing to kill them? Because that’s really what you’re doing. You know, you’re putting the person you love the most at risk. Because if you’re not being vaccinated, it’s clear that you don’t love yourself enough to get vaccinated to protect your own life. But think of the lives of everyone else that you protect. And I don’t think any, any pro choice people listen to this podcast because they know I am pro life. other way around. I’m pro choice. Yes. Oh, my gosh, I’m so hungry right now.

C 

strikes again. Yes.

So I am pro choice. Yes. I don’t think anyone who is pro life listens to the podcast, right? I believe. I believe in everyone’s right to choose. Yes. And I think that they should be able to. I think that they have the right to be able to choose whether or not they get vaccinated. And I’m just asking them to please choose to get vaccinated. But I believe they have the right to choose not to. Yeah, I think some of these I’m pro choice.

I think some of these things like a generation from now won’t be an issue, except among very few people like seat belts. I think very few people in the US anymore are like seat belts or government oppression. I think pretty much everybody uses them. Yes. And

K 

I remember when the helmet law first came out,

say watercycle helmets when it came out. They’re like, you’re oppressing me.

And I’m old enough to remember the seatbelt laws. Yes, me coming into effect. Are you really though?

C 

Yeah, I really am though.

K 

I Really? Yes. Okay. I’ve decided I’m 55 now. Okay. Yeah,

C 

there is a point at which that statement will be true is not this point,

K 

is I think 52 is boring. It’s 52. You know, I’m 55 I’m 55. Now 52 feels like there’s a lack of gravitas. I felt like 50 there was gravitas to saying I’m 50 So I did that for four years before I turned 50. But

C 

if you say in Japanese, like go Juni go dooney.

K 

Yeah, that’s fun. Okay, but nobody’s saying that to me. And nobody’s cheering me on.

C 

I cheered you on just now.

K 

I think I’m gonna go with five. Okay, good to go. Good to go.

C 

In three years, we can play this back and be like, Sukhoi, she gets tougher is 55

K 

so by the time they listen to those, they might be 50 pounds down and press on

C 

understanding your age. I might be first 70 Why did they talk?

K 

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C 

Let’s do it.

Let’s No, no, no, no, we’re talking that’s, that’s in two weeks. Next week. We’re talking about how you can tell if a press is trustworthy. So we’re dragging folks two weeks in a row. So head on over to the tape to listen to us drag some folks. Thank you. Bye